Dave, AKA as woox0LAVhIhtvEOQoeAC7D7Bm6_eesOdZg-- in a comment on the first Electra post said this:
Why don't you try again? Rather than dealing with co2science crap data, why don't you go to the actual, real raw daily data at the USHCN website like I suggested?
Now, I have been using CO2 science data because it is the real raw data, which they downloaded in 2007. Dave, wants me to go to another site, which he thinks is the real raw data. It isn't. If Dave would read the descriptive files that go along with what is given out at the particular site he likes he would find this statement:
The quality of the HCN data was
enhanced with the use of outlier and areal edits, and the data were
corrected for time of observation differences, instrument changes,
instrument moves, station relocations, and urbanization effects (Karl et
al. 1986; Karl and Williams 1987). Source
Now, what Dave is pointing us to is NOT the 'real raw' data as he says, it is the edited data that the USHCN folks claim is the original data. Unfortunately, Dave and I may have a different definition of what is raw data.
In fairness to Dave, One can argue that the data set offered doesn't have the following, also found in the descriptive files
The data have not been adjusted for station
relocations, heat island effects, instrument changes, or time of
observation biases. The nature of inhomogeneities arising from such
factors depends on a station's climatic regime.Source
Note that this second list doesn't say they didn't do the areal and outlier edit.
Back when I started looking into this, I found a statement somewhere that in about 2006 for the first time the USHCN allowed people to get the actual raw data--i.e. data without outlier editing and areal editing applied. I didn't realize the importance of that statement so I didn't capture it in my data base.
But the clear thing is that the data DAve says is the 'real raw data' isn't the real raw data but data edited to make it look pretty. The crap CO2 science data that he wants to ignore is apparently the real raw data before it has had a makeover by the make-up artists at the USHCN.
One of the reasons I am very suspicious of anything that smacks of editing by the make-up artists at the GISS is that they change history so easily, and history changes in just a 9 year period. The picture below is from Anthony Watts site but it shows clearly how editing is changing the past.
The sad thing is that the USHCN proclaims to give us raw data, but in fact they have already edited out all the lunacies in the data set, by their own admission. CO2 science may have the only really good look at the absolutely raw data set.
Now, if Dave or anyone else can locate on the internet the absolutely raw data from a USHCN or NOAA site, a dataset that has zero editing on it, I would be glad to stand corrected. Unfortunately the records are being continually updated at the USHCN site without anyone knowing what they are doing and what they are changing.